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It would be interesting if you would post roughly how many corrupt officials you believe there are in Asia and approximately how many housing units they each purchase.


The Chinese real estate market in general is very depressing: high prices, lots of uncertainty, no good bargains without buko guangxi. The smart money in China looks to a more stable/growing market to invest in, and the USA is very accessible. Its not necessarily all gray money (or even black money) feeding the buying, but there is probably some of that.


I'm sure there is some overseas participation in the San Francisco housing market. And San Francisco does have a high vacancy rate (relative to the U.S., per the 2010 census).

That's an interesting situation to try to understand. It's not an especially sound basis for an angry rant about corrupt foreigners ruining the housing market there.


The corrupt Chinese officials probably have more to do in ruining the housing market in China. They also have "retirement plans" that involve setting up their kids in a University/House abroad in some country without an extradition treaty (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_official). But most of the money coming into the states from China is probably legitimate (or at least mostly legitimate, as much as can be said for the micro corruption that occurs).


Understood that he ranted, but Chinese monetary policy, along with the fact that the ultra-wealthy in China are often politically connected rather than talented founders, has certainly created a situation where tons of Chinese investment is buying up housing stock in any city which has seen a steep rise in prices.


I believe he's referring to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7963678


Looks like a figure of speech to me.


It was less ambiguous last time they posted it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7926038

Edit: And another time:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7964831


It's well-known that Russian and Arab billionaires keep Manhattan real estate (usually bought through shadowy shell companies) so that, if their people ever revolt and bring them to justice, they have a place to hide. There's so much money laundering it's sickening: http://nymag.com/news/features/foreigners-hiding-money-new-y...

Generally, the corrupt scum of Europe and Africa and the Americas focus on New York while the corrupt scum of Asia (where half the world's people live) tend to use California. I'm not sure if that's because geographical proximity matters, or if it's something else.

In addition to the purchase of safety housing by corrupt foreign officials, much bigger is the secondary market in U.S. real estate that exists because of this purchase pattern. The fact that every overseas scumbag wants a U.S. house (preferably a high-value one, because if your assets are frozen and have to change your identity, you may have to borrow against the house for 3 years while your fixers buy you a resume and get you able to work legit) in case shit goes seriously wrong, U.S. real estate has become a store of value.

I don't know the numbers. I don't think anyone does, but as for how much housing is being bought by foreign scumbags (or to sell to them, but speculators betting on scumbaggery) it's probably on the order of 1-10% on the high end, and possibly much higher (10-50%) on the ultra-high ($5M+) end. That might not seem like a big deal, but there are two things to consider. First is the push-down effect. Billionaires buying penthouses push modest millionaires into 3BRs and upper-middle-class families into 1BRs and the middle- and working classes out. It propagates down the socioeconomic chain, making everyone pay higher prices.

The second issue is extreme price inelasticity. 1% supply destruction doesn't increase prices by 1%, as one might hope or expect. It can cause them to double.


I got to about he sixth repetition of the word "scumbag" before I stopped and thought, "what is this, a michaelochurch rant?" And went up to check the username-- oh.


So my negativity toward unethical people has a distinctive character? Worth knowing. Thanks.


In all seriousness: yes, yes it really does.


I don't have the link, but I read somewhere that foreign investors (I think this was data upto last year - things may have changed fast) don't make up THAT much of the market, and only for the 1M+ homes, which is way above median price in the US.


Way above median for the US as a whole, but according to the article $1M is close to the median in SF.


I read somewhere that foreign investors (I think this was data upto last year - things may have changed fast) don't make up THAT much of the market

Price inelasticity. A 1% supply destruction is going to have much more than a 1% impact on prices. Possibly 20%, possibly 2x.

and only for the 1M+ homes, which is way above median price in the US.

This problem isn't felt out in the Midwest, because you're right: corrupt officials aren't interested in $300,000 houses in Wisconsin.

On the other hand, middle-of-the-road San Francisco houses, at $1.5 million, are ideal for a scumbag trying to hide from extradition and reprisal. You're going to have a hard time bringing assets over quickly, so borrowing against your house is how you're going to get your first few years of "living money" while your fixers buy you a resume and references and set up your career (this takes about 3 years, for an executive-level makeover) over here. Bay Area houses are also well-located for general money laundering, for obvious reasons.


Why not increase the elasticity of supply? Ie make it easier to build more?




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