Both. It's been a decade now. Mark, and others, have built one of the most valuable technology companies of all time. In my option that's a great leader.

> Mark, and others, have built one of the most valuable technology companies of all time.

Clinkle?

I am genuinely interested in the measure of value here. Multiple rounds of layoffs (and apparent mutiny), experienced management hires departing in days or hours, millions in investment resulting in what? An exit strategy?